He is a wrecking ball. What happens if you cure an Allips insanity. ; Price 47,315 gp. On Hit Taken: stacking +2 bonus to damage rolls until the end of the battle. Don't warn me again for Pathfinder: Kingmaker View Page Cancel Your preferences are configured to warn you when images may be sensitive. This bonus to damage is halved (-50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon. "Bows to the sagely wisdom offered by others far more stronger in the force" :). Which is better for a duelist, human or goblin? Rapiers never really met "more war like weapons". Or use a rapier until you get the feat, and then switch to scimitar. You cannot have a weapon or shield in your other hand. The Mythic Finesse is unnecessary in earlier stages unless using a non-rapier light weapon. Pros: You can start the game with dex to damage and hit along with keen on your weapon. So it was more open to the development of sillier fighting styles (two weapon fighting) than more war like weapons such as the longsword, bearded axe or scimitar. This increases to two dice if the weapon has a greater striking rune and three dice if the weapon has a major striking rune. I think it was probably originally because rapiers can be used in fencing, they're thin, flexible weapons that you need to be very precise with. I'm saying mechanically, there is no drawbacks to a goblin duelist other than role-playing ones. The campaign starts at 5. Hmmmm. hard choice actually. For class go urban barbarian. bane of living is pretty good so long as you don't fight undead with it. The difference between rapiers and heavier swords which actually saw battlefield use involves something D&D, and many other fantasy RPGs, have always downplayed, namely convenience and custom. But a sworda sword has a voice. You need a 13 strength to get power attack and can't use Piranha strike with the Scimitar. In any case, the rapier remains a weapon that was actually used with some frequency as two weapons. To make scimitar finesseable would be to make it purely better than rapier. It depends, if you can go for it, if not it's still ok. One thing that I didn't see mentioned also is a little detail often overlooked, the fact that at higher level a magus is able to spend arcane points to enhance his weapon with vorpal. You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, For info, news, resources, and anything else about the Pathfinder TTRPG! But in D&D, and many other fantasy RPGs, warriors run around armour-clad and carrying long weapons day in and day out. But uhm why not just make the player use the rapier instead? Anarchic, Mithral. While a scimitar is slightly heavier, it's slightly shorter, and the balance and curve of its blade lends it to operate fluidly in concert with another weapon in the other hand. is there a way like a feat or a Let's collect the best PF2 random generators. Scimitar lets you take dervish dance, but rapier lets you use precise strike and parry. Fouchard is pretty much best weapon type in the game.It has 18-20/x2,its long reach and has pretty powerfull examples in game. Satisfaction. It was traditionally used like a machete, hacking at anyone who got close, but it is now one of the three swords used in olympic fencing, and definately qualifies for weapon finesse. Fair enough :) Naming convention isn't tied to weapon attributes though. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSUpOZwVpOeNUjcUEWSPrXKyx-j6A4o1BHQD2c5THLenTet7141EOlFxbFH65C2TjBOXmXd7IcbXsk1/pubhtml#. What is your favorite class from 1 to 20? Two, probably 3 attacks. I want a book to deal piercing damage, anyone know how? I'm taking the crane style feats. (Some people will tell you rapiers were designed to hit weak points in armor. A guide on duelist I read said that scimitar is better, but it doesn't let you use some class features. What happens if you cure an Allips insanity. They also get dex to damage. They'll all do 1d6. Also check with your GM, he may role that a bite falls into the same category as a weapon in your other hand. So for dex build the best results come along with rapier, dueling sword Hekatoncheires 4 yr. ago Yeah I know that now. Best weapon? That would be lion's claw/Bane of Living/Redeemer/Vanquisher/The End. A scimitar is bigger, heavier, and in most movies and whatnot, used to make big clumsy chopping motions. I can finesse a rapier at level 1 or I can use my crappy Strength and hope to survive to level 2 or 3 (3 being more likely since you're also trying to knock out the Dodge and Mobility feat requirement of the Duelist). Unfortunately, to use vorpal I think it must be a slashing weapon and not a piercing weapon. The weapon you mention is a highly specialized dueling weapon, but it was hardly the only one used with a rapier. Haven't looked at it for a while. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. This does not prevent such weapons from being dual-weilded (and if fact, by design the fluid nature of a scimitar or saber would suggest that they would be, I would hardly say that rapiers were the only weapons to be dual wielded with regularity (see, hand axes and short swords, as well as some hunting knives), but I would also like to point out that aside from a few arrogant nobles being arrogant, the rapier was pretty much a dueling only weapon that denoted status, not a weapon that was brought to and used on the battlefield. My main problem for goblins is that small weapons do less damage. Honestly their arcane weapons ability are enough alone to make most weapons devastating as you can add keen, brilliant, ghost touch, fire, ice etc to any weapon, so really what you want are finesse or agile weapons (or the feat), single hand, high crit threat weapons. If you are still wondering how Scimitar is different from Rapier, read the ultimate guide on Scimitar of Speed and Rapier. Lion's claw is mostly amazing for saint/scion as it would be able to utilize weapon enchant fully going bane/axiomatic/+1 and still getting a +5 15-20/x3 weapon. You must choose to use this feat before the attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn. Actually, that "dagger" was typically the aptly named sword-breaker, which was dagger like in shape and size only. Valve Corporation. So, Imbicatus, are you saying goblin is better? Reduced STR wont matter since you are using DEX for damage. It's also a matter of practicality. Just wondering what the difference is other than S vs P. And if that is the only difference can anyone explain to me why exactly that is such a big deal? When used outdoors in a temperate climate, this +3 scimitar grants its wielder the use of the Cleave feat and deals an extra 1d6 points of damage.. CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS. You can get a strength bonus with a scimitar, if you want. Apart from the die difference you can't use the dervish scimitar in two hands for 1.5 strength modifier when you're not using spell combat, but then you want to be using spell combat as much as possible anyway. if i was going all out dervish dance build i'd pass over power attack and take pirahna strike from the Sargava book. The scimitar didn't, so much. It should be assumed that, You can get A Monster for Every Season: Summer 2 now at Gumroad, 5e Gestalt rules (wip, feedback required), AMFES: Summer 2, Now with Digital Tokens Included, 2020 Holiday Ornament and Black Friday Sale, If this is your first visit, be sure to The fight is within a small enclosed box that is marked off to ensure limit. If you want a curved finesse blade, take a look at the sabre. The rapier either finds it's way around armour, or pierces through weak points. For instance, a rapier with a greater striking rune deals 2d8 extra piercing damage on a critical hit. They never have and probably never will. Umm, Drizz't clones don't dual-wield rapiers. Now I feel bad making a thread for this. Repeat after me, folks: D&D weapons don't make sense. Which is better mechanically? The only reason to go rapier is if you would rather spend money than a feat on damage. I'll have dervish dance by then, so survivability until then isn't a problem. It's exceptional at horseback combat because a thrust could catch the blade between bones; if you're riding a horse quickly and your sword gets caught like. This does not prevent such weapons from being dual-weilded (and if fact, by design the fluid nature of a scimitar or saber would suggest that they would be. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Only the outer edge is sharp, and the back is flat, giving the blade a triangular cross-section. So pros and cons. Edit: Ninjaed. I still say you're better off with the rapier. The dagger was a number of different knives that varied by place, they showed up all the time in civilian street fights (as did bucklers, and it was the civilian street fight that tended to have rapiers to begin with), and most of them were perfectly functional against thrusting weapons in general, though daggers just don't have the mass and moment of inertia to be hugely effective against swings. Dervish Dance allows you to use a Scimitar with all Duelist abilities. Even though a Rapier's lightweight, it's long and meant for precise, staccato thrusts that precludes using an offhand weapon. Suspend your disbelief and use whichever mechanics you need with whichever description you prefer. Part of this is that the scimitar actually was a battlefield weapon and dual wielding has somewhat limited battlefield applications at the best of times, particularly in areas which actually had a tradition of shields. Benefit: When wielding a light weapon, you can choose to take a -1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. Also rapier does piercing damage is the worst type of damage. That's probably worth the feat alone. PS: with a gobbo I would do the scimitar route and if your bite came up enough get an AOMF with agile enchantment. Edit Preferences Scimitar is the best, if you want to cast while attacking, as it can be used 2-handed while you dont cast (significant damage boost) and has 18-20 crit range (MUST-havefor Sword Saint). min-maxing on DEX (and INT) is just more powerful 99% of the time than having to maintain a good STR + DEX + INT, or equally min-maxing on DEX and INT but just doing less damage. A duelist gets it's damage from static bonuses, not weapon dice. It is a mechanically weaker option though, as you are not tied to a specific enchantment on a specific weapon with the feat. You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand. You start off at 1st level with a rapier. Scimitar and duelling sword look like curved swords of medium length. Goblins give a +4 to DEX, but humans give the bonus feat. I would also like to point out that aside from a few arrogant nobles being arrogant, the rapier was pretty much a dueling only weapon that denoted status, not a weapon that was brought to and used on the battlefield. Because it was designed to fight armored opponents on the battlefield, the idea was to impart a lot of force in the cut: even if you don't punch through the armor, you can still impart enough of an impact to possibly break bones or cause some other injury that would hamper your opponent's ability to fight. I was misremembered that Dancing Dervishes aren't a thing in this game. An Agile Rapier will do almost everything for you that Dervish Dance will, and will let you use your off hand for something else if you need to. Rapier is Piercing, Scimitar is Slashing; Rapier is a bonus weapon for Elves, and is part of the Rogue weapon set, while Scimitar belongs to the Druid set. The Scimitar is a curved sword of Eastern origin primarily intended for cutting or slicing unarmed opponents. Pathfinder: Kingmaker > General Discussions > Topic Details. Is it just me that thinks they got the stats on these two weapons backward? The Renaissance was the height of Full Plate Harness armor, as well. That's true so I guess two of the choices could be: 1: Full numerical adds to primary hit and negative five to bite, this costing no feats. This page covers a list of all the Scimitars featured in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. Martial Weapons such as the Scimitars are automatically proficient with Classes such as the Barbarian, Fighter, Paladin, and Ranger. Magic Versions Special Versions Categories Community content is available under CC BY-NC-SA 3.0 unless otherwise noted. One thing to keep in mind, the rapier with agile enhancement will make putting keen on it a +3 total costwise. Scimitar of speed: attack as a bonus action, +2 enhancement 5 prof + 3 dex +2 enhancement = +10 on attack rolls for 1d6+5 (avg 8.5) damage. Edit 2: Scimitar Scimitar is for str build as it's not light weapon. Not sure why Mythic Weapon Finesse is also taken (unless to use a rapier with a . in any case, that is totally aside from the rapier-scimitar comparison. But you only get to have 1 of them in 1 hand, and nothing in your other hand, not even a shield. or is just enough with the spell damage through the blade? Vanquisher is the best dps on paper no matter what. Havent seen Khopeshs in game yet, is there anything better than the 18-20 (x2) weapons? I've trained with a scimitar IRL, and it's a lot closer to a broadsword than a rapier. It had no edge, almost no tip and typically had 1-2 prongs on it that were spaced a little bit from the main "blade". Which isn't a bad thing - it's part of heroic fantasy convention. Pihranha strike with an agile kukri will work. A scimitar is a heavey blade it functions more like an axe. And I can be messing stuff up at level 1 with my finesse-able Rapier or wait until level 2 (or possibly 3 depending on build) to be effective. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Scimitar is slightly heavier. But it pays to keep it in mind. Critical Specialization Effects Source Core Rulebook pg. Estocs look like a thin sword, quite long, almost like a bastard sword long. All rights reserved. Build for an agile weapon(from the Guide to the Pathfinder Society) and Piranha strike, no STR required, same as dervish dance with just a +1 enhancement, I would suggest a +1 Spell Storing, Agile light weapon when you can. Lion's Claw falcata happens to be very similar to the Serpent Prince fauchard. (Not administered by or affiliated with Paizo Publishing in any way). Edit: also Urban Barbarian rocks for this idea. I'm pretty sure sipahi used shields and scimitars in addition to their light lances. Rapier: there IS alot of difference between those two weapons when the dervish dance feat is in play. Think i seen a feat that does something on crits? In most situations, especially when starting from level 5, it's worth it. The question is in the title, which weapon is better for a duelist? The rapier is still quite good, as is the light pick. The scimitar uses it's curved edge and weight to slash through light armour. No. It won't overpower your game to allow it. This is not a defining factor so much as simply one to consider when making the choice. So when the authors were deciding what weapons worked best with dexterous finesse type fighting, they probably just thought the rapier should be included. One weapon you can finesse with the other you can use as a two-handed weapon. Does that make that big of a difference? The bonus damage does not apply to touch attacks or effects that do not deal hit point damage. Havent seen Khopeshs in game yet, is there anything better than the 18-20 (x2) weapons? The scimitar uses it's curved edge and weight to slash through light armour. Can rage for more dx, gets uncanny dodge nad improved uncanny dodge. right, there`s not much difference between those two weapons. What's the difference? "Light" isn't about the weight as much as how the weapon fits in the hand and interferes (or doesn't) with movement of the other hand. A scimitar is a much older curved blade specifically designed for slashing. < > Showing . I can finesse a rapier at level 1 or I can use my crappy Strength and hope to survive to level 2 or 3 (3 being more likely since you're also trying to knock out the Dodge and Mobility feat requirement of the Duelist). I also like the dagger for it's ability to use precise strike at range. Why would it be better? And heavily-armed Shock Troopers with Zweihanders to break pikes. One thing to note as far as balance, unlike most one-handed weapons, you can't use a Rapier in two hands to gain 1.5x Strength bonus to damage. You're waiting a little longer for the combo(depending on wealth) but at least its less feat intensive, and works with Piranha strike. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelists precise strike ability). Whether it is handing out inspiration dice, using a spell such as animate objects etc. You can . min-maxing on DEX (and INT) is just more powerful 99% of the time than having to maintain a good STR + DEX + INT, or equally min-maxing on DEX and INT but just doing less damage. An ability that changes the size of the weapon's normal damage dice doesn't change the size of its deadly die. beelzebubish 5 yr. ago This is the real answer. Sold by Issili in House at the Edge of Time. Is not a rapier a lighter finesse weapon then a scimitar? Frankly - I wish scimitars were a versatile (D10) weapon on top of finesse+light. Rapier = less feats required Completely different weapons. This is a recording of an enclosure match at a Sword Arts meeting in May of 2015. Grants continuous effect of Freedom of Movement spell, and immunity to fear and death effects. I want a book to deal piercing damage, anyone know how? Also, Rangers can get power attack without meeting prerequisites if the choose the Two-Handed Style, ironically even if they never use a two handed weapon. if you want to go high STR / non-finesse, you can, and will have more damage out-put when you 2-hand your weapon, but that doesn`t happen during the magus` prime schtick, spell combat - for which you need to 1-hand it. Maybe even TWF with scimitar and bite. The end will outperform it with DR/- enemies. You won't notice a difference in damage at all. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Scimitar is a weapon in Pathfinder: Kingmaker . 2 Rapiers isn't really seen in fiction, and even if you duel with 2 rapiers irl, your off hand weapon would be used for defense more than not. It would also clearly mean you were expecting to fight, so carrying it around in a populated area could raise concerns. This is historically untrue. Don't go Goblin. hi, i may be missing something here but i see many magus builds that use a scimitar n dervish dance, but i dont see much difference between this 2 weapons i mention, so, why not a rapier magus? +2. When your base attack bonus reaches +4, and for every 4 points thereafter, the penalty increases by -1 and the bonus on damage rolls increases by +2. It's that Paizo thinks Dex to damage is overpowered, so the only two sources that haven't been nerfed to not work with spell combat are Dervish Dance and the agile weapon enchantment. ChaosArbiter 10 years ago #2. Would the bonus to AC and to hit rolls from a higher DEX and being small be worth losing a bonus feat? The Aldori Dueling Sword gets Dex to damage if you take one level in the prestige class, which is easily possible. So you can ignore Str as a stat in point buy situations. If you are going for a human magus, or a half-elf / half-orc, where you can stick that extra +2 anywhere, go with a weapon you can get strength bonus on. Take a look at one sometime: most of them have a very, very pronounced curve. No author should have to take the time to say, "This little girl ISN'T evil, folks!" You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage. Has it ever occured to you, Master Ninefingers, that a sword is different from other weapons? A rapier, on the other hand, you could carry at your side without much of a hassle - same with messers, knives and other small arms. However: Benefit: When wielding a scimitar with one hand, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls. The reasoning is something like that the scimitar has a fairly heavy blade, more like a longsword, whereas the rapier has a slender, lighter blade, moving the center of gravity closer to the grip, making it more maneuverable. thx a lot, i forgot about str :P and didnt know that piercing dmg isnt that good. Scimitar = less weapon properties required, The Dawnflower Dervish Bard archetype gets Dervish Dance for free at 1st level, no prerequisitesso scimitar, same Feats required, if you want to play a Bard Duellist that is, =). Inside Burt Gummer is an Ork. check out the. The distribution just tends to be closer to the hilt than is typical of other swords. It was simply too fragile for continuous use, and had a problem with being pulled from the corpse of an enemy (and god help you if you strike bone). in order for the reader to understand that. (pet peeve, races are for flavour, not mechanics). The curve of the blade is also likely why it's a Finesse weapon - the curve of the blade gives it good cutting power without tremendous need for force against it - you just need to have the control to keep the blade firmly pressed against whatever you're cutting - it slices, not hacks. I've trained with a scimitar IRL, and it's a lot closer to a broadsword than a rapier. Sylvan Scimitar. The difference is in the build of character. Hell the wiki picture of timariots show a period sipahi with bow, scimitar, and . Dual wielding rapiers is not. Why is a Scimitar a "Light" weapon and Rapier is not? All Scimitars in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous All Weapons Weapons by Proficiency Weapons by Type It's also more thematic for a duelist if style is important to you. Thats fantasy. important note about the off hand with a duelist: "When making a precise strike, a duelist cannot attack with a weapon in her other hand or use a shield.". [deleted] 4 yr. ago [removed] Verdelion 4 yr. ago 2: Expending feat for TWF, and taking -2 to prime but also taking only -2 to bite. Scimitar: The curve was designed to slash without getting stuck (a piercing weapon would be hard to withdraw from a body if your horse is still going forward). But considering Transformation spell prevents you from casting anyways, i'd rather go 2-handed weapon - Fauchard (best for party due to 6-feet range) or Elven . If you go Scimitar, you're out a feat slot. That's why scimitars need to be light. If you go the route of Rapier, you're out some gold. Its Antifantasy. This would leave out rapier. Slashing is a lot better to beat undead DR rduction a lot. Aside from those, the only differences are in the magic weapons. Prerequisites: Weapon Finesse, base attack bonus +1. right, there`s not much difference between those two weapons. of course there is the feat Improved Critical. Martial Weapons such as the Rapiers are automatically proficient with Classes such as the Barbarian, Fighter, Paladin, and Ranger. This weapon makes wide sweeping or spinning attacks, making it easier to attack multiple enemies. Monk doesn't really fit the character concept, so just the feats, no class levels in it. So at least imo Schmitt should be finesse and 1d8, rapier finesse and light 1d6. As this is a major aspect of damage for your character it is worth noting. New Map! As for scimitars, they saw heavy use with shields, largely with cavalry. Take out the light, they all do 1d8. There's less historical precedent for use of a secondary weapon with a scimitar than with a rapier. Because the dual wielding scimitar dervish is a classic archetype in fantasy. No reason you can't have a light, finesse slash; light, finesse bludgeon and light, finesse piercing weapon. Carrying around a two-handed sword was pretty inconvenient - try carrying a broom around you at all times, and then imagine it's made of metal. Small size is a difference of .5 damage between a d4 and a d6. there IS alot of difference between those two weapons when the dervish dance feat is in play. Another option (if you're using Golarion stuff). It was civilian weapon, not a battlefield weapon, designed to deal with unarmored opponents. Of course, this in complete and total absence of story and concept just pure mechanics. Hey fellow forumers! Sounds fun either way. It's unusal for a curved weapon to be so light, but it was meant to be used from horseback at close range. Damage 1d4 (small), 1d6 (medium) Critical 18-20/x2 Type slashing Category one-handed Proficiency martial Weapon Group heavy blades This curved sword is shorter than a longsword and longer than a shortsword. Because the combatants weren't armored, they had to focus on speed, agility, reading their opponent's attacks, and having a weapon with a long reach; the rapier was designed specifically for that purpose. Whereas the scimitar route will give you the bonus of the agile enhancement to all scimitars wielded and will not cause your other enhancements to increase in cost. You also cannot two hand a rapier to add 1 1/2 strength damage. Race is a flavor choice. Also with a goblin, you can take the alternate racial trait to get a bite attack. So it was more open to the development of sillier fighting styles (two weapon fighting) than more war like weapons such as the longsword, bearded axe or scimitar. May 12, 2019 @ 2:39pm Any melee weapon better than Scimitar/Rapier for Team Feats? may I humbly suggest Snake Style unarmed combat? Just seen the Elven Curve Blade in Olegs shop, it is 2 hander and still finesse with 18-20 (x2) but cant figure out what weapon focus it is No 'Curved Blade Weapon Focus' i can find Nvm forgot you have to have proficiency before Focus feat lol Can anyone list any good Elven Curved Blades (or other finesse with 18-20 (2)) that you've found in game plz? The rapier was never meant for battlefield use). Not a fan of Nightcrawler, eh? For mine I am using scimitar. Yes. uh you kind of have it all in your post. Any melee weapon better than Scimitar/Rapier for Team Feats? Curse of the Crimson Throne Part 6 - Castel Daily Spell Discussion for Nov 10, 2022: Keen Edge, Press J to jump to the feed. You can even say it looks different but keep all the mechanics from the rapier. My bad. Bite is a natural attack, you can take an attack with it at -5 with no feat needed as part of any full attack with weapons that isn't a monk flurry. Answer: In a word, everything. You don't finesse a cleaving blow like that, and the curve put the tip too far off to the side to wield it as a fine piercing weapon. Assuming that feat is even available in your game. This did not work against wider or more durrable weapons like a longsword or scimitar, and was. The thing is that I have plenty of things to do on my bonus action. LevelSix_SYSTEM. Aura moderate evocation; CL 11th; Weight 4 lbs. Oh, wow, I completely missed that. The rapier either finds it's way around armour, or pierces through weak points. Shielded Scimitar is pure oposite to fantasy. Taking Weapon Specialisation Mythic gets an increase of half of your Mythic level to damage rather than an extra finesse-able weapon (unnecessary if she's using a rapier). Cons: spending gold on agile for dex to damage, Next bump such as keen will cost 11000 gold. Dervish dance allows dex to damage. A scimitar is a much heavier weapon than a rapier. The scimitar is the best because you don't have to pay for dex damage. Feats Craft Magic Arms and Armor; Spells divine power or creator must be a 7th-level druid; Cost 23,815 gp Rapiers look exactly like you would expects that - medium length, very thin. Personally, I'd rather spend the feat slot elsewhere. It was simply too fragile for continuous use, and had a problem with being pulled from the corpse of an enemy (and god help you if you strike bone). Visuals reminds of scimitars from Baldurs Gate. In our game we switched to damage dice and made Rapier the light weapon, it just doesn't make sense that Scimitar is light while the rapier is not. Race probably goblin, because st is not needed ever, get an additional mules cord enchantment for 1500 gp at some slot. Section 15: Copyright Notice Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber. That's up to you. Plus, rapiers actually aren't all that light from a pure mass perspective. Significantotter's Comprehensive Guide to the Full-Caster [COSPLAY] Runelord Sorshen by Natalia Ityaksova, one of my players drank a potion of magic weapon. Think i seen a feat that does something on crits? :p. Doesn't Nightcrawler use sabers rather than rapiers? You'd also need to spend some resource on getting exotic weapon proficiency with the falcata. Fantasy means how rich your story can be without any bounds. Fauchard leads with reach, higher base damage and Acid damage bonus, but Claw is one-handed. It was long and very light weight. btw, using a scimitar build, is it worthy to have str 13 and get power attack? 283 3.0 When you attack with this weapon, you gain a +1 circumstance bonus to your attack roll if you already attempted to attack a different target this turn using this weapon. Weapon finesse and scimitars :: Pathfinder: Kingmaker General Discussions Content posted in this community may not be appropriate for all ages, or may not be appropriate for viewing at work. If you make the Scimitar finessable also make it so it can't be two handed. BUT, and this is a big BUT, that isn't what most magi are. Scimitars are finesse with the Dervish Dance feat. The function of the weapon was to catch the light, thin and fragile blade of a rapier or epee in between the main rod and prong so that the person holding the sword breaker could shatter, bend or disarm his opponent's weapon and leave them weaponless. Someone in our campaign wants scimitars to be finesse and the DM is leaning towards yes and we just wanted to make sure we didnt miss anything. A scimitar is a much heavier weapon than a rapier. Its also useable in two hands for 1.5 str. Con: One feat Dervish, you were going to have to take the Finesse feat either way. Clue: Fantasy is not the same as nonsense. that list i not full as it doesn't include DLC items and some of the weapons can't be found in the game, but most of them are there and obtainable, Ahhh Got it TY, the Blue made it hard to see. Axes and maces and so forth are lethal enough, but they hang on the belt like dumb brutes. Aldori Dueling sword. The basic explanation is Paizo is very weird about using Dexterity for melee weapons. Or a high bab feat that will be competing with other awesome feat choices at that level. Scimitar Cost 15 gp Weight 4 lbs. A duelist can TWF with the Thorn Bracer or a Blade Boot, or Unarmed with the Snake Style, since they keep the off hand free. Found in Irovetti Palace (Merged World) Stratagem. Which one is better? Given that using a rapier with a dagger was pretty much routine, this doesn't hold up. Since you're starting at level 5 (a fact that was either not shared previously or that I missed) then either is equally viable. Or if you don't care about keen, then something else or an item instead. Because Dervish Dance lets you use your Dex for damage. Two different weapons designed for two different environments. This page covers a list of all the Rapiers featured in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. Rapier = less feats required Scimitar = less weapon properties required It's also a matter of practicality. It's primary use was for cavalry: it's light enough to use in one hand, but its long blade allowed a good sweep to cleave opponents as you rode. I have a duelist with no duelist levels. Pros: Feat to spend elsewhere, No requirement I am aware of regarding offhand. Doesn't really matter what they look like or called just attributes :), Well think I'll switch them around or add a heavier scimitar that you need the dual wielder feat to use cause however much I try I can't get wielding two rapiers look cool in my head. You make a combination of quick strikes, sacrificing accuracy for multiple, minor wounds that prove exceptionally deadly. I guess the scimitar is light for the dervish style 2 weapon fighter like the prince of persia or that drow chap from FR who use high speed and curved blades. With the Aldori dueling style, you gain everything but damage on a finessable slashing weapon that you can do duelist stuff with. Thanks! That will allow you an extra attack per round to apply your duelist damage to. The rapier is a 16th-17th century weapon with very slender pointed tip (primarily a thrusting weapon, but it is possible to slash with it). Just UB and Unarmed fighter. If you give the scimitar weapon finesse it is strictly better then the rapier (except damage type for DR). You are correct, it is not finnesseable. If you have spent agile on it, the next bump is 11000 gold strong. Keen is a nice bonus to have for the duelist. What is the minimum level before I can send my players to building a rake rogue. Fantasy literature is ONLY worthwhile for what it can tell us about the real world; everything else is petty escapism. Animation is slashing, lake a sabre, both look good. darkwarriorkarg That comes with a feat expenditure and a high bab requirement. DESCRIPTION. Completely different weapons. This feat cannot be used in conjunction with the Power Attack feat. All Rapiers in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous All Weapons Weapons by Proficiency Weapons by Type +5. It's not that scimitars are the best weapon for magi. The scimitar must be for a creature of your size. Then move to the scimitar later. 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