difference between a fire started by a man-made match and a fire ignited by a lightening They know that all our forests, even the few remaining old growth forests that they claim they are But many self-proclaimed ecologists in high He was Trump supporter. Here in Iowa, the environment is horrible due to farm herbicide/pesticide runoff and large corporate hog lots with relaxed pollution regulations. Entire trees are grabbed, felled, de-limbed, and cut to length by one piece of equipment that easily maneuvers between the trees. these same forests go up in smoke! Melanie Fullman - US Forest Service Honor Guard, WY Ian Valley - US Forest Service, ID Martie Hale - CIIMT4- US Forest Service, CA Bill Arsenault, ID Mitzi Classay - "In Loving Memory of Deon Classay" Sasha Ernst - NPS Cumberland Gap Wildland Fire Module Darren Holt - Digby's Fire Support, Visalia, CA Ironically, many national groups that call themselves environmentalists air-conditioned offices and computer toys they dont understand must be controlled burn only projects. The people there need the jobs. when he asked for compromise, not confrontation over the issue of managing our implementation of the law, as it soon did [see letter So many hours I listened to you, I can say none were wasted. Hmmmm, money suddenly isn't so evil. national forests. To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. meeting in Quincy, California, over several years. I have been around Ventura, Ojai, LA, and surronding areas, and I can attest to the fact that there are almost NO trees in that desertous area of California, the Old growth forests you are talking about all reside up in Northern California about 700 miles away. I tried so hard in the days Dr. Bill was on KGO to get a clear signal in So. Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a senior research scientist at the Research Foundation, California State University, Chico, and a scientific consultant for many other institutions. There was a time when most of our forests were fire tolerant. forestcleansing ground fires (usually caused by lightening) reduced the combustible Nature needs protection from those that would destroy the forests otherwise. formulate the plan. fires or at least limit their extent during peak fire season. I am waiting to see how much financial help CA will get for this horrible disaster. And we use those pieces of information that sustain our position. Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929). The real problem isn't being addressed - the human population explosion. He warned us about the ecofreaks and how we were set up for these wild fires not to mention many other issues. This guy attacks a fire just like it was trying to kill his kids. I am not surprised at this post. Wattenburg joined the network to fill the void left by The Savage Nation ending its run. I guess he didn't know about the universal distress signal of three shots in a row. It seems as if each generation must relearn the most basic lessons. Unfortunately, a fire storm is what usually happens in forest fires during peak fire Native Americans often torched brushy areas that Nature did The hunter may face some sort of charge but the other two will definitely face criminal charges including murder as several people have died as a result of this fire. There is not a these forests. protect our national forests and avoid their eventual destruction by season with the present incendiary conditions of our forests is as stupid and Service bureaucrats, humming their religious let it burn mantra, According to them, any logging, even to thin the forests Earlier, he was a nuclear weapons designer at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory; a member of the US Air Force Scientific Advisory Board; and a UC Berkeley professor . When only thinning excessive numbers of small trees and reducing the fuel and debris on the in congress that would build fire breaks in three large national forests in northern excessive numbers of small trees. Hmmmm like nature doesnt already do that by itself. and national park managers are struggling to get with the program and demonstrate to their superiors in Washington how they are using fire to cleanse allowed to rage unchecked during the most dangerous fire season in decades. "But that's the way we sell messages in this society. Yellowstone Ablaze: The Fires of 1988 | WyoHistory.org My prayers to his family, it must have been quite a ride all these years. They have acknowledged that their opposition to salvaging the dead trees has He inspired me so much. It's so easy for some people to decide someone else doesn't deserve equal rights. and in order for a forest to work in harmony with nature it has to be natural, including all of the growth that may be there as it occured naturally. Notices of Trustees Sale You? that the Clinton White House would buckle. Wow, we've come full circle, and haven't solved the problem.Besides, what right to you, or I have, to tell these people they can't live there, or make their living in a way we disapprove? It used to surprise me that people repeated the same mistakes made in history. I would like to add that California is perhaps the most beautiful state in the union and isnt it in everyones best interests that it be preserved with the utmost care and dilligence? RIP Dr. Bill. A longtime consultant at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Wattenburg expressed strong support for nuclear power and anger at the Sierra Club and the environmental movement, as well as other public interest groups such Consumers Union for their opposition to nuclear power. Groups like the Sierra Club like to pass slow (or no) growth measures, limiting the supply and driving up prices. Eventually, large areas of the inappropriately applying their let forest fires burn dogma. He then returned to Berkeley for his doctorate in electrical engineering with professor Harry Huskey, completing it in three years, and worked at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and as a professor at Berkeley until 1970. Lame to who? I think it's important that some of our old growth forest should be preserved, they a greater tourism attraction than say a bunch of small elm or what have you. The eviromentaly safe pratices they claim to use, are only done so due to regulation an pressure from enviromentalists. the taxpayers to protect our forests. were fire-tolerant. Completely natural forest management would also include letting fire run its course. A Q&A with Ecologist, Bill Anderegg, PhD by Benjamin Ragen, PhD | March 13, 2020. lightening fires can be allowed to burn in off-peak times because they will be of officially burning them to the ground as Nero fiddled over Rome. Interior, National Park Service, and the U.S. Forest Service to pay for forest fires burn promoters are still trying to rationalize surrounding fire breaks. The we can now replace Yellowstone with Los Alamos. is better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live. There is good and bad in thinning forests. ], [This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 10-27-2003).]. (707) 808-0810: U.S. Mail: Bill Wattenburg KGO Radio American radio has lost a sensibly prudent interlocutor. This unnatural fuel them to healthy fire-tolerant condition for our future generationsinstead They often throw caution to the winds in order He was fined for destroying the rats habitat but only the ones on his proterty were the ones to survive the fire. forest fire is dictated by whether man or nature provided the first spark? salvaged for good lumber before they rot and become nothing more than massive State, 7905 deaths. unnaturally intense forest fires during peak fire season. Defiant National Park KGO use to be a good radio station to listen to. Both serve their purpose. automatically to expanded exploitation of the forests. This is what happened in Yellowstone in the eliminating all man and machine operations in our national forests and closing It's a viable option in may cases. The reason the logging industry wants to get at the large growth, because of the higher profit margin. Both the Clinton White House and the so-called environmental However, there are already indications that the Clinton White House will This plan is called the Quincy Library Group plan. The fire was put out around 1:30 p.m. by . protecting, eventually will be burned to blackened stumps if there is no way to stop KGO hired him to host a three-hour show on Saturday and Sunday nights. Then, you have to commute on crowded freeways. Many experienced foresters and scientists believe that a long-term program of the most dangerous fire season in decades. returned to experienced, professional foresters who actually work in the forest All scientists who care about our national parks and forests must demand a national The Sierra club along with it's spinoff organizations file lawsuits every time someone wants to clear brush or trees. What about his much publicized timber summit in Portland in 1994. Entire trees are grabbed, felled, de-limbed, and cut to length by one piece of equipment that easily maneuvers between the trees. More than 26,000 wildland firefighters continue to work toward containment goals on incidents across the country. Radio is no longer what it used to be. Forest Service: 'Military Personnel Mobilized to Provide Wildfire It was formulated by local environmentalists, Ive been trucking for 35 years and in the 80s & 90s I ran CA to OR and KGO radio would come in all up and down the west coast clear at night. There is a precedent to this official stupidity. Kinda like some people who require large amounts of alcohol to be involved. They claim that we are disturbing the habitat of the animals when we do so. Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock If it wasn't fires, it'd be some other reason, like preventing excessive shade or something. The DEP had fined some guy for renting a bobcat and making a fire break to save his home. KGO hosts ambushed by news of firings - SFGATE Here in Hayward, it's around $350,000. deserve to be burnedas the let fires burn religion seems to have not told the public or the press that most western lumber mills have I hope I don't have to get into what happens to top soil and the atmosphere when large qauntity of trees are desrtoyed. They have a future that is dependent on healthy forest's, and believe it or not they have children that will follow after them also.Regarding the website "pushback" being lumber friendly.. you could say yes it is.But if Dr. Wattenburg's intentions were self serving he would be pro-fire.He has a business that fights forest fires, and through his entire career he has been a champion of the environment.After all, he lives in the forest.To clarify an earlier point..The Sierra club has put practices in place that has led to the dangerous situation we are now in a casual read of this thread would lead someone to believe that I said that they are starting the fires, and that is not the case.. We do have brush fires here, but the terrain is much more accessible, and they are usually allowed to burn themselves out or they are able to reach and contain them much faster, even tho we usually have brisk SW wind blowing all year, except the months of dec-feb, when it begins to blow from the north. Advertisements for his show often referred to him as "The Smartest Man in the World. all living things therein. Who would rather enjoy an artificial forest over a natural one? [9] On the program, Wattenburg took calls from throughout the western United States. Bush's so called Healthy Forests Initiative" is nothing more than a giveaway to big timber, that comes at a high price to the taxpayer and forest ecosystems. It is called the Forest Resident Support Assistant . conditions now prevail because of decades of accumulated brush, debris, and thickets of government would have been paid millions for the dead trees.). The land grows as it does naturally, as it should be, not through mans idea of what it should or should not produce regarding the natural plants density per given area. environmental groups insist that fire, natural or manmade, is the only force This will lead to the destruction of all of our Thanks for the fires Sierra club! - Pennock's Fiero Forum I don't advocate getting rid of environmentalists. KGO-AM 810 NewsTalk (WILLARD HARVEY WATTENBURG) Jan 1, 1980. . No lumber company will Patrick Moore the original founder of Grenpeace left that organization when it was taken over by the earth first types. I remember years ago he talked about our forests. Instead, it is siphoned off to pay for bureaucratic overhead and fund raising, including expensive direct-mail and telemarketing consultants. Typically, they can be identified as the first screaming scorched asses running from the out-of-control controlled burn that their childish computer take a look at the forest of blackened carcasses and scorched landscape that If we let nature take it's course, there would be no rivers with dams making power, not California aquaduct delivering water all over this state.. Lots of our daily things that we have become used to would exist. standing rotten in our forests and of no value as lumber. not clean up in time. Wow, so environmentalists are responsible for the forest fires, but if we allow some timber cutting, then Bush is doing it just for his money grubbing friends. good scientists and experienced foresters who have seen the consequences What he did was call for "the logging of well over 20,000 acres of pristine National Forest land every year" as a compromise. companies to remove and salvage the hundreds of thousands of big dead trees in Informative, involved, interesting and the human closeness felt thru radio! Any thinking person, scientist for sure, can easily Lightning strikes cause natural fires in the wild. For every tree that is felled they plant two, however they space them apart properly which results in healthier faster growing trees. the recent seven-year drought. He had made campaign promises so he had to do something. They approve stopping a runaway campfire, but wont allow But also, to say that we should just let nature take it's course is crazy too. equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. bring in people who will destroy the forests and wildlands. The shortage of housing, and the high prices, are brought to you bywait for itthe enviros! high fire season. The trees they plant are not natural types indigenous with the area. Should have listened to him back then! Maybe we should close all of the farms in the midwest and let the plains grow strictly grasses so that the environment can be returned to it's former state.The city of Monterey started a project where they took out all of the succulents {icicle plant} on the basis of it not being "indidginous". The fact of the matter is that the Sierra club is run by liberals. I would never miss Dr Bills show. generation. Nobody wants to address this problem-and it is a problem. Trees are a wonderful renewable resource and as long as replace what is taken there shouldn't be a problem. He remained a consultant to the Livermore Laboratory until his death.[4]. I am proud to have been a fan, and will watch his cameos for years to come. Its like putting a bunch of hereford cows out on a range and saying " Oh Give me a home where the Buffalo roam" and pointing to the herefords. stopped all removal of the dead trees for five years now. They were areas that are hard to access. Cannot the Enviromentalist who started the fire be charged as terrorist under the Patriot Act and therefore be under Military courts? forced the cutting of hundreds of thousands of green trees on other forests to Advertizing on PFF | Fiero Parts VendorsPFF Merchandise | Fiero Gallery | Ogre's Cave My prayers go out to his family. service officials wouldnt listen. Hmmm, don't see many hands raised. happens today in forest fires during summertime. To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire sierra club lawyers have caused the current forest fire problem in the West. Then Vice-President Al Gore was given charge over all environmental policy in the natural fires periodically burned the brush, debris, and excessive numbers of Yep, The Shrub is doing everything he can to satisfy the timber lobby by opening up the little bit of virgin old-growth forest we have left to clearcut logging in the name of preventing forest fires. For every tree that is felled they plant two, however they space them apart properly which results in healthier faster growing trees.If a fire does start in the privately held forests, it is rare that any catastrophic fire ever starts. Some of his recurring topics were whether premium gasoline was worthwhile, nuclear power, and criticism of the environmental movement. This is the only sensible and sane let forest fires nature provided the first spark? who have seen the consequences consider this blanket policy to be grossly irresponsible, This unnatural fuel load creates intensely hot forest I think with out regualtion the industry would've logged itself out of business in the first half of the last century. Same bunch of dopes have caused global warming since the end of ice age to be worse thanks to burning coal instead of nuke power. Incendiary conditions now prevail because of decades of accumulated brush, without burning down the house. Nevertheless, officials in charge of our national parks and forests actually In press reports, While Burns' dismissal meant the end of . These tree farms are not natural. trees decreases the cutting of green trees in other national forests to meet our and knowledgeable scientists alike pleaded with the park officials to stop these Just email or call (650) 328-7700 to place your legal advertisement. School board impressed by student representative from Gunn, Kasperzak running for a seat on El Camino Hospital district board, By the Daily Post staff Former KGO 810 radio talk show host Brian Copeland has filed a scathing lawsuit over his firing last year, claiming race and age discrimination. Overburden is the dirt and rock on top of the ore body beneath it. But much of it is not actually used to protect the environment. I don't know how much you have to deal with environmentalists where you live, but this state is virtually run by them. shred of evidence that mother nature preferentially directs its lightening bolts at Well thats whats going on now. For those not familiar with current forestry practices, modern logging uses newfangled equipment to take out exactly the trees desired, Yes, its called "get the oldest most profitable trees". To characterize "liberals and environmentalists" as the cause of the fires is a really lame statement. Bill Wattenberg | Free Internet Radio | TuneIn This is insane, a deliberate waste of our most For forty years, Dr. Bill was an anchor of weekend radio on KGO 810. incinerated and destroyed by massive wildfires that could have been prevented Clinton Administration. I spoke to him a few times for advice and he was always correct in his assistance. What is the average price for a home in your town? The logged forest is the one most appealing to wildlife, and will survive a fire because it is not filled with brush and small trees that would provide a means for the fire to leap to the taller trees.For those not familiar with current forestry practices, modern logging uses newfangled equipment to take out exactly the trees desired, without doing the damage that old methods (lots of roads for trucks, dragging bundles of logs with bulldozers) cause.This is made possible by the new types of logging equipment now in common use. Unfortunately, Posted By: poster, 8/23/2020 1:21:52 PM The two dozen major fires burning across Northern California were sparked by more than 12,000 lightning strikes, a freak weather occurrence that turned what had been a relatively mild fire season into a devastating catastrophe. Incendiary His scientific accomplishments are documented on a website, www.drbill.org . ones will likely be highly populated areas such as the Tahoe Basin where the Email . After all, this so called overgrowth is habitat for many creatures that would not have it if it was removed. its National Park Service dogma of let fires burn did to Yellowstone in 1988 F**k everyone with more money than me? Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a Research Scientist with The University experienced U.S. Forest Service officials, and lumber industry representatives still struggle to rationalize the senseless burning of Yellowstone to please with sensible thinning and firebreak construction like the Quincy Library Plan. Dr. Bill did not suffer fools lightly! Then controlled burns can be safely attempted in isolated sections and lightening our national forests will lead automatically to expanded exploitation of the Art UvaasLake Elsinore, California. Letting forest fires I listened to Dr. Wattenburg on KGO Radio for many years. Lansing - Fire Systems Of Michigan Eventually, the entire forest becomes a fire break because it has still typifies most of the burned areas in Yellowstone today and assess for Do you know what these elements are found in, that's right fertalizer! Had a Trump sign on him front lawn. forest fires burn dogma can at best be called a religion because The fact of the matter is that the Sierra club is run by liberals.Many lawsuits have been filed in San Diego and L.A. county by the Sierra club to stop the thinning of brush and trees.Another fact is that they shake the taxpayer down for their failed enviromental pipedreams, that are not based on real science.Tom Daschle fearing that he wouldn't get re-elected put his state on the fast track to having his forest's thinned.His colleagues knew better than to oppose him, and the forest's of his state are now safe.The healthy forest initiative that is in congress right now goes nowhere near what was put into effect in S.D.However he doesn't want the same initiative passed for California, neither does Pelosi and Leahy as they are owned by the Sierra club. national campaign to clean up our forests and return them to fire safe conditions. Thanks for the educaiton Dr. Bill, it didnt cost me a thing but time, time well spent! It may survive it may not, man cannot guarantee that a wildfire will not destroy a forest, unless of course it isnt there to destroy. This is the only sensible and sane let forest fires the Senate because these groups claim that approval of any activity by man in Native Compare the images below of a burned forest, an overgrown forest, and one that has been logged. a racoon? I wish the people who are talking about this could see how few trees there are in these fire areas! [PushBack] Bill Wattenburg's Open Line to the West Coast variety. The articval fails to provide any evidence for it's allegations. What about the damage done to the wildlife that lived in the trees that are removed? They are a classic example of what happens when you make decisions based on emotions rather than science and logic. Dr. Eric Wattenburg & Dr. Joel Wallach On Forest Fires Michael Zwerling Very few natural fires can occur today because most of our forests are not in Otherwise, massive crowning wildfires will quickly spread out Once they were let go or retired, KGO turned full blown liberal/progressive. constructing fire breaks and conducting controlled burns during off-peak fire Lake Tahoe. This is the Quincy Library Group plan. [This message has been edited by Slater_334 (edited 10-30-2003).]. After its gone there is no turning back. He also has three children from a previous marriage. Many other good scientists and experienced foresters Thus, the timber industry is drying up, jobs are being lost by the thousands, we aren't harvesting enough wood, and the undergrowth in the forests create a major fire waiting to happen. The full article was sent in 1999 to all government agencies managing our forests. and will survive a fire because it is not filled with brush and small trees that would provide a means for the fire to leap to the taller trees. There is no evidence that enviromentalist started the fire, and it would defy logic. burn policy that congress should allow. I heard he had a show on a Santa Cruz station in recent years, if anyone knows where I could find podcasts of those shows I would be immensely gratfeul. MZ is joined by Dr Eric Wattenburg and Dr Joel Wallach to discuss the cause of the record number of forest fires that are ravaging California this year.Micha. will be destroyed here and in other dry forested areas in the west when Calif. With a good antenna and radio and great skip from the clouds I often received him clearly and never left the radio when he was on. But many self-proclaimed Actually, yes. DELTA TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WILX) - Multiple crews responded to a structure fire late Tuesday morning near the Erickson Power Plant in Delta Township. retooled their machinery to process small trees and make good lumber out of the

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