You can tap the hole so the bolt will thread in. Save the big money for later. 082114000046. Got a 20% coupon today for this weekend. Okay, I think I'll leave it on then. And there is a sister kart to this one and we want to be able to run them together and bump and go, which is why they are the commercial karts with full bumpers etc.. lol. Ok so I just bought a predator 212 and ordered a stage 1 kit along with 18lb springs. The only way I can get the engine to slow down is hold the butterfly back manually. It will only allow the engine to run more RPMs. Crazznewt, I've seen videos of people who got that gear out very easily, glad that it worked out that way for you too. T You can use a heavy duty paper clip that has been remove . I was wondering if it is possible to just adjust the governor and not remove it. Checking the valve lash is a good idea too. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have installed charging coils and a charging flywheel. Show details Many people use RTV as a gasket because it's "Room Temperature something or other" that sets and cures at room temperature in the absence of oxygen or something like that, and they believe it's the cure for everything. I have a predator 670 22hp on a backwater kit. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Thanks. Maybe someone can help me figure out the issue with a 212 Predator engine that is on an old Manco 485-03 kart I recently picked up. vpe part # 082114000046; In stock. I am throwing in a stage 1 kit, springs, key, jet, filter, probably a +.02 rod, and building a header. Sometimes the camshaft will want to come out with the side cover. Anyone with experience with the new Predator 459? Reverse wound spring was included for the driven clutch so it engages properly. All because I didn't want to split the case. Do any of the Gates G-Force belts fit? And does anyone know what the stock ones are. I think I might have stumbled across what's going on. You are using an out of date browser. IMO, the two are completely different things. Previous owner had removed the rod & springs from the governor arm to the carb and throttle lever and had a homemade throttle rod from the big throttle lever to the carb butterfly along with an assortment of return springs stretched everywhere. The throttle is either on or off. and if I removed the gov. Re: Governor removal. Disconnect the stock throttle rod and governor springs from the top of the engine. Predator Engines. Is it possible just to "adjust" the governor on a predator 420 motor? Will it give a snappier throttle response ? While we are in the engine we also remove the low oil sensor. Take out the transmission system and drain the oil. Made an adjustment at the governor and now it turns just under 3,600 in the water. It really helps keep the motor running when idling through the thick stuff. Yes, when you do a governor delete you have to break the engine open and remove the inside parts!!!!! Here is the governor assembly after being removed from the engine. Kart currently has a GX200 stage I, wet 1800 rpm clutch and weighs 516 lbs. Angles the air filter I left the rod that twists that arm just sticking up out of the block with the cotter key on it for safety. You will need to thread the nut back onto the crankshaft and give it a solid tap with a hammer to break the flywheel off of its taper. I've had one of these motors - sold it to a friend who still has it. I replaced the rod & springs with factory parts, readjusted the governor and even popped the side cover off the engine, the governor "looked" okay. If your cam fell out you need to install it with the timing marks lined up. The pin and governor gear will fall into the block. Since on a minibike, the engine RPMs are directly related to top speed of the bike, running the engine faster will make the bike faster. I know it will increase max rpm but I've also heard that you can blow up the motor by doing this. Step-by-step governor and low oil sensor removal tutorial from a Predator 212. Now you can remove the blower housing. [/COLOR]This is actually a good Question from the OP. Increased belt wear and it eats a little power. Frankenstein In memory of Frankenstein 1991 - 2018 Local time 9:04 PM Joined Jun 24, 2016 Messages 5,035 Location Where the TV show forensic files is produced. The cam gear and the crank gear have small dimples (timing marks) that need to be aligned. Take all the safety precautions possible when altering an engine and using it in a manner it was not designed for. He lifted the back of the kart with the engine running at WOT. Double and triple check that all of the parts get removed. (as advertised). Newville, Pa. May 24, 2022. If you understand you don't have anything limiting your max rpms, and make sure you let off the throttle whenever you pop a stump to kick the prop out of the water, and don't rev it up out of the water, then it'll be fine. Sometimes the camshaft will want to come out with the side cover. I have read to install the 50lb heavy duty ones but Idk if that is to much on a stock cam. You are using an out of date browser. Here are the steps you'll need to take, in order to remove the speed governor on a Predator 212cc engine: Remove the Engine From Your Go-Kart Drain the Oil Out Remove the Transmission Take Off the Predator Engine Side Plate Remove the Speed Governor Rebuild and Remount the Predator Engine It may not display this or other websites correctly. After trimming about 1/16" off the bottom edge our engine will have a flat surface to sit level on a motor plate. If you understand you don't have anything limiting your max rpms, and make sure you let off the throttle whenever you pop a stump to kick the prop out of the water, and don't rev it up out of the water, then it'll be fine. Be careful not to damage the threads on the crankshaft. Gates or Dayco have always been high quality belts. Search. The big plastic gear on the right is the camshaft. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Out it comes I guess. I didn't catch that part. As the governor weights spread that stem pushes against the rod going through the block which in turn controls the throttle. Menu. my feeling is that the plate on that 40 series is awful thin for the output of a big blockjusy ma feelin though. Some will say different, but if you gut the exhaust you might scorch a piston. Thanks for the input. If you use the hi-perf kit you can get a much thinner stainless steel (not paper) head gasket (mine's .012", OEM's about .050") that will noticeably improve performance by increasing compression. It causes back flow. The white "stem" is gone from when Homer decided to disconnect the governor on top of the engine. This is the 79cc 2.5hp Harbor Freight engine. With the flywheel removed you have exposed the pin that holds the governor gear in place. We will cover these areas in separate how-to articles. You could just adjust it to allow a higher rev, but still limit . Affordable Go KartsPO Box 61757Santa Barbara CA 93160, For priority technical assistance,email tech@affordablegokarts.com, For sales-related inquiries,email sales@affordablegokarts.com. How many rpm's are you turning OOW and WOT in Water? Karttek, if you already got the case sealed back up it was hopefully with a nice new sump sidecover gasket. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The plate never allows correct alignment of the clutches. Great for Mikuni Intake Manifold for for Honda GX120/160/200 MSRP: USD$47.87 for mounting the 22mm Mikuni carburetor. We start the governor removal process by removing the six side cover bolts. Maybe someone can help me figure out the issue with a 212 Predator engine that is on an old Manco 485-03 kart I recently picked up. We do this because the sensor will shut the engine off when you don't want it to. The plate never allows correct alignment of the clutches. Predator 212 Governor Removal: Here's the step-by-step guide on removing the governor of Predator 212; the process will be the same for the Honda GX200 or any other small Honda clone engine motors. Slap some steel together for a bare-bones fun kart with the GX200, have some silly fun right now. take the flywheel off.use a punch to knock the governor gear and shaft out,remove gov.arm from the top "be sure to get all the washers left over from govenor and arm".get you 2 each 1/2x1" self tapping bolts and washers little bit of red loctite on the threads electric impact them in tight done.7/16 tap and a 7/16x3/4" bolt to match for the low Side plate gaskets need to be the paper type as the set the crank end play Agree completely about the gasket maker. 4 little bolts on the valve cover, 4 bigger bolts for the head, voila, better motor. Ive been made aware that the stage one along with the springs can bring rpm up to around 5300. Once the flywheel nut is removed the starter cup and plastic fan will come off. So if you back out the throttle stop and gain RPMs, it is because the engine is making more power and you are still under the governor setting. You can usually save the side cover gasket if the engine is new or has very low hours on it. You need to plug this hole with a bolt too. We trim the bottom of the housing because this portion hangs down lower than the engine block and does not allow the engine to sit flat on a motor plate. Therefore when you mount it like the 30 series you must install the reverse rotation spring. $6.95. Removing the governor will allow the engine to turn over 5000 rpm. I would like to get the motor to up around 5-6K, but that is about it. And affirmative use a comet belt ( little bit mo expensive , but one comet is better than 3. He was able to start it with a rope and handle he cut off an old mower since the pull start was missing. She would not recognize valve float. I bought a "Jeremywell" 40 series TC from amazon for under $100. Brought home a 459 the other night. The governor setting can adjusted, but by changing the hole the spring is connected to. It's the videos of nightmares with deleting governor parts that convinced me to not even try the hard way. Remove the Fuel Tank Open the Crankcase Unscrew the Governor arm. Using an impact wrench works great for this. I am thinking of putting one on my commercial kart. I'm a heavy equipment mechanic but I don't know a lot about these small engines. Key vibrated off, that "L-shaped" rod (turns 90 degrees inside of block) dropped down, the crankshaft counterweight hit it, bent it and jammed it against the block. Works like a charm. Check em out ! You can usually save the side cover gasket if the engine is new or has very low hours on it. #1 Just figured out how to remove (/negate) the governer on a predator. These engines will turn 3600 rpm from the factory. The good weather is here and my daughter starts high school in the fall so trying to get some rides in this summer. Cart. Previous owner had removed the rod & springs from the governor arm to the carb and throttle lever and had a homemade throttle rod from the big throttle lever to the carb butterfly . I just want to know why they make it adjustable. Looking for a bolt on kit. It won't affect throttle response. The image I borrowed from Old Mini Bikes is how I have mine setup. I think you missed the point: if the governor gear is only safe to. also if i don't remove the . ---------- Post added at 10:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:06 PM ----------. JavaScript is disabled. Also be sure the bolt cannot fall into your engine block. I wonder who makes the belts for Comet. That part isn't there plus I found small off white chunks of what could have been that stem disintegrating from when the previous owner unhooked the governor springs. I just watched a video of a 212 governor, there is a nylon stem I guess you could call it that sits on the center governor gear shaft. https://www.vpowerequipment.com/predator-212cc-governor-kit/. They should hold up. You are using an out of date browser. FYI: I'm not a fan of using loads of gasket maker or sealer on small engines to make up for damaged gaskets. Due to his explanation. Unmounting the Engine JavaScript is disabled. The side cover goes on next. If you can't find the clearance you need to drop the metal arm out of the block just cut the top of it off with a dremel cutting tool and then lower the arm out of the block. Has anyone run across this? Another guys engine that ran most of the season was almost ready to chew through the stem and drop a valve. We start the governor removal process by removing the six side cover bolts. And the governor you are looking for is the plastic gear in the upper left. Much agreed. You must log in or register to reply here. Other methods for securing the bolt in the block can be used as well just be sure the bolt seals the hole so you do not have oil leaking out. Front Runner Karting LLC is a go-kart racing parts, safety equipment and acces. So slapping a bare-bones kart together won't happen any time soon. My Little girl is the same way when driving her kart. A throttle stop works to limit power. After the blower housing has been removed you can remove the flywheel. Honda GX Governor Removal Guide 1 Honda GX Governor Removal, Release 2 GokartsUSA.com crank and l to remove gear. If hard to get that "L-shaped" arm out, just pull the crankshaft toward you a smidge and let it fall out. Pull the side cover off slowly. Anyone with experience with the new Predator 459? When you are going into a turn the oil in your engine will push to one side triggering the sensor. Now it's time to put the engine back together. It's something with the governor it seems. The first performance step we like to take with this engine is removing the governor. I think the karts weigh too much for the 30 series. madprofessor, it's the time that I don't have right now. Add to Cart. You could just adjust it to allow a higher rev, but still limit your max rpms. You cannot leave the governor inside the block with it disconnected or this is what happens. Qty. Something is big time wonky, I can't seem to narrow it down. Removing the sensor will eliminate that problem. Be sure to get all the parts out of the block, and drive a 1/4-20 bolt into the hole to seal it. There is a small black washer placed between the governor gear and engine block that could get loose in your engine. I removed one and ran at high rpms.I did it once and found stock internals to be sub par. A governor works to limit RPMs. This brand new Governor Kit that fits Predator 212 cc, Greyhound 6.5 hp , Honda GX160 and Honda GX200 engines. Is that for future use when say a spring is worn or a linkage is bent or tweaked. The stock throttle rod is connected to a metal pivot arm that goes down into the engine block. Needed a jackshaft as only the crummy 40 series have a back plate. Figures. When plugging holes in the block make sure you use a bolt that will not interfere with anything inside the engine. The belt is flat, the same on both sides so turning the driver around makes no difference. SKU. Yup saw a couple of YT videos on a teardown and how one broke a CVT but I place zero faith in those. Board index MMT Main Forums Engines & Engine Mod Talk, Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot] and 68 guests. Wish List Compare. You may have to rotate the crankshaft to pull the arm down into the block. When you do split it to remove the governor parts, DON'T FIGHT with needle-nose and screwdrivers and whatever to get that nylon gear and the 3 washers out of there. The same thing happened in my first engine and govenor pieces/parts got into my compression release causing other problems. The 40 series driven normally faces the opposite way of a 30 series. Tap this pin out of the block. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . My question is that which valve springs to use. It's probably difficult to see in this picture, but we have the marks lined up. If you are staying with the stock carb I wouldn't remove the gov. Be sure to remove ALL of the governor parts from the block. This PREDATOR 15.8 HP (459cc) Max Performance OHV Horizontal Shaft Gas Engine has precision-engineered components to provide smooth and quiet operation plus up to 10% more output than standard engines. Brand New Governor Kit for 212cc Engines. It's a safety net that in the majority of cases is a good idea to have. All the holes in the governor arm..wellthat arm is controlled by a mechanism in the crankcase in the engine very similar in functionality to a centrifugal clutch. The other gaskets should be of higher quality than OEM to boot, might not tear up next time they're removed. JavaScript is disabled. using it on a 420 stage 2 and very happy with it. If this happens the lifters may fall out too. I just jetted the carb but am hesitant about removing the governor. Account. the drive clutch mounted backwards with the bell side of the unit towards the engine. If this happens the lifters may fall out too. Suggestions on a 40? Unmount the engine from the kart. This item: OMB Warehouse Predator 212 Non-Hemi Governor Removal Kit $19573 ARC Racing (2) Pack of 22Lb Valve Springs $1425 BLACKHORSE-RACING 3pcs 30 Series Go Kart Drive Belt Replaces Manco 5959 / Comet 203589 $2028 Total price: $230.26 Add all three to Cart These items are shipped from and sold by different sellers. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Here you go.. On the Predator 212 engines, it is set to limit the engine to 3600 RPMs. It won't affect throttle response. Email. Comet Torque Converter Belts | Go Kart Drive Belts (gokartsupply.com). #1. The Predator's pull strong in stock configuration, and using a ~5000 ish RPM limit set by tweaking the governor linkage and checking the maximum RPM post race would be ideal with the intent of the class and the stock flywheel. OK. The horizontal shaft is ball-bearing mounted for long life and efficient output. Replace the spring that goes from the throttle to the governer arm with a thick paperclip. #1. You must log in or register to reply here. The crankshaft is in the center. Remove this metal arm. You will need to plug the hole left in the block with a bolt as seen in this picture. Install the blower housing. From the box it was only getting 3100-3200 RPM in water. Using a screwdriven and hammer, and tap the snap ring of the governor Take out all the parts of the governor (including the washer under the governor gear) Reassemble 1. Taking out the governor will not give you more "power". Tip for the future, congrats if you already did this: High performance gasket kits cost basically the same as OEM kits for the same mating group. Just don't take her where there are long straightaways! Drive another of those bolts into that hole. I do like the Jeremywell TC but others come with a plate. It's not in my budget to get a billet fly wheel, so is there a chance of my stock flywheel blowing up after removing the governor ?? Remove Transmission system and Drain the oil. Yup saw a couple of YT videos on a teardown and how one broke a CVT but I place zero faith in those. Please understand there is a safety consideration when removing the governor and running an engine at an rpm it was not designed for. These shattered parts got into my compression release and made starting our engine extremely difficult. Just pop the flywheel off the other side to expose the pin that the gear spins on, and punch it into the block. You will need to setup new throttle linkage. This is what you will see when the side cover has been removed. Predator 301 valve springs governor removed I am running a 301cc predator that I have removed the govenor. Search . Start by installing the flywheel, plastic fan and starter cup. Governor warning to all: Delete EVERYTHING if you disconnect that external arm. Elizabeth, PA. Oct 7, 2020. Amazon cheap one but use a Genuine Comet belt. Pull the side cover off slowly. Not to worry as the lifters and camshaft go right back in place.

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